on a different thread, berylblue mentioned how, when comparing my 1st post to the present ones, there is an obvious change.
i do agree that we all can grow and learn as time goes on in our lives.
my question for today is,"have you changed in how you think or in your growth from a spiritual and /or emotional standpoint"?
I feel I've come full circle in getting the real me back that was always there but was never allowed to show without getting a load of shit thrown at me from the crazy life haters (cough!) that is the Watchtower!
I'd say I have ambition now, a real passion for life, a respect for the system and how I can fit into it and be of some use to myself and others around me.
his is a quote from the give god glory district convention showing how they avoid their own questions and provide the usual vague answers that no jw understands.
we don't want to be personally refuting these untruths unless jehovah's organisation assigned us to do that, publicly.
now, are we talking people in our ministry or elsewhere about points about what they have heard, read?
T his is a quote from the Give God Glory District Convention showing how they avoid their own questions and provide the usual vague answers that no JW understands.
We don't want to be personally refuting these untruths unless Jehovah's organisation assigned us to do that, publicly. Now, are we talking people in our ministry or elsewhere about points about what they have heard, read? Sure, we do present the truth to them. But we don't want to be doing that publicly because that could just lead to worse reports about us.
Basically they are saying,
Here is the quote without all the double-speak.
We don't want to be personally commenting on the fact there are victims of physical and sexual abuse of the young people within our organisation unless the men from the Watchtower assigned us to do that, publicly. If you’re not an elder what has it got to do with you? Now, are we talking people in our ministry or elsewhere about points about what they have heard, read? Sure, preach to them but don’t talk about anything else. We don't want to be doing that publicly because that could just lead to worse reports about us.
From the start of the talk, it only took the speaker 3 ½ minutes to mention Satan quoting, ‘the whole world is in the power of the wicked one’.
I’m very impressed by the skill of the speaker on this one in making clear (all for the wrong reasons) only what he wants and avoiding the whole truth not only through what he says but the way he says it. The phrasing is perfect to avoid any other line of thought and the way he speeds up and mumbles points he wants to be half heard or mostly ignored but slows down at points he wants people to remember is very skilful or I could say, very manipulative. None of the information is fully explained - it’s all in the voice.
It kind of puts a darker slant on the Theocratic ministry school in my opinion?
For the first 5 minutes or so the speaker says - well, a lot of babble that could be summed up in a few words, which don’t have any substantial meaning anyway unless you have already been programmed as a JW.
I’m guessing they have to stick really closely to the outlines because everything written has clearly been closely scrutinized.
Does anyone know how closely the speakers have to follow the outlines provided by the society?
be wise.
----------------------- EVER GET TIRED OF FEELING YOU DIDN’T BELONG – EVER GET TIRED OF SUCKING A LEMON – BUT THEY WERE WRONG – YOU ARE STRONG – AND YOU BELONG - TO YOURSELF – NO LONGER PUTTING YOUR MIND ON THE SHELF – AS REGARDS YOUR LIFE - YOU CAN MAKE IT IF YOU TRY – KEEP IT FOCUSED – THEN ATTACK THEM LIKE A BLIZZARD OF LOCUSTS – FROM ALL SIDES – KEEP YOUR MIND CLEAR – THERE LIES ARE MEANT TO HYPNOTISE – BUT WE CAN RISE ABOVE THIS WORLD AND FREE OUR MINDS OF ALL THE FEAR
it has been a while since i posted for advice but i haven't had a cig now in 6 weeks.
cheers for everyones helpful advice.
the best advice has been just to recognise that i had a problen -that i was dependant rather than just not thinking about it.
It has been a while since I posted for advice but I haven't had a cig now in 6 weeks.
Cheers for everyones helpful advice. The best advice has been just to recognise that I had a problen -that I was dependant rather than just not thinking about it. Every time I had a cig I viewed it in a different way. I went through the worst of it in the first few weeks - bad headaches and tiredness etc. Actually I dreamt about having a cig last night, my old tutor from college offered me it and I felt I had to smoke it out of politeness but it tasted aweful. Gonna keep tryin.
be wise
the elders have received my da letter.
i was going to post it but they didnt have a mail box so i decided to hand it in personally.
i headed off to the kh after the meeting had started.
Sorry about the spacing - don't know why that happens sometimes
the elders have received my da letter.
i was going to post it but they didnt have a mail box so i decided to hand it in personally.
i headed off to the kh after the meeting had started.
Hi everyone,
The elders have received my DA letter. I was going to post it but they didn’t have a mail box so I decided to hand it in personally.
I headed off to the KH after the meeting had started. I was kind of looking forward to seeing the old congregation I was in as I was very interested in experiencing this environment from an outside perspective. It was a very short experience though – only lasted about thirty seconds – I didn’t even get in the KH.
As I walked to the kingdom hall I saw two or three attendants outside. I got to the Kingdom hall gate but it was locked.
I thought the kingdom hall was supposed to be open to the public – isn’t that who it’s for? (Oh no –I remember now – it’s a cult)
Anyway, I looked up at the Kingdom hall entrance and an attendant (a tall, well built feller) caught sight of me, he looked completely shocked and really panicky as I fiddled with the gate. I smiled at him and I heard the other attendant, who I know shout to me to come though the car park entrance.
I went up to him and it was the weirdest thing ever because he didn’t say hello or how are you or anything. He just started saying that they didn’t have a key for the gate or something. I said hello, are you all right?
He turned around to walk with me thinking I was just going to stroll in there like a good little lost sheep or something. He spoke as if I’d just seen him yesterday – no catching up chat or normal behaviour (actually nothing what-so-ever) – no eye contact. I then got my letter out of my bag and handed it to him and said can you give this to one of the elders? – it’s important. As soon as I handed him the letter he just turned around and walked away and that was that. By the way, this attendant is a ‘JW family’ relative of mine. How sad!
It suddenly hit me that nothing had changed. I saw a guy in the car park who I knew all them years ago – facial expression and body language exactly the same – giving me the same tired smile he always gave everyone (no offence to the guy – he’s a decent bloke), but it was if I was suddenly stuck in a time warp, very strange because I got a reminder of some of the old feelings that I had forgotten about – my memory of it all suddenly came back but it was all so predictable (and a bit eerie I might add).
I was expecting change to be honest. You know you hear of all this so-called change and progress from JW’s and their literature, the organisation is changing (blah, blah), but I realised it was exactly the same thing it always used to be. Don’t know if anyone else felt this way?
When I came away it suddenly dawned on me that I was so glad I’d escaped from this small-minded little depressing world. I just felt so relieved that I had got out!
I suddenly realised how much I’d gained - in my mind and in my life, since I left.
But it was also very shocking because you realise the little of it they actually have in their lives.
I just hope they get on with the DAing and don’t try to complicate things because I have washed my hands of them now and to be honest I’m tired of it all – all the letters and explanations I’ve made and the typical small minded reactions I’ve received (there’s only so much of this anyone can take).
Again, big thanks to everyone who posts on the board, especially Simon and Angharad and everyone else who’s involved in making this work.
be wise.
glad to say my internet connection is still up, my parents phoned to disconnect it on monday but its still going.. i havent officially dad yet but it will happen within the next few weeks.
i will also be sending the da letter to all my immediate family.
as soon as they announce my da my parents will be chucking me out but are helping me get sorted for my flat.
Thanks everyone - you've been great!
I haven't had the chance to actually post her for a while since my internet was cut off so this is quite a late thank you.
Just to let you know things are so much better now and thanks for all your posts. The most unusual thing of all is the better I feel the less understanding I get from my JW family. This has been a big step but my head feels like it has been washed out and scrubed of so much of this crap and I can see it from a much more objectional view now. Thanks to those that PM'd me I will get in touch soon. Me and my parents are communicating now - so things have been discussed and left with no-one agreeing but at least agreeing to disagree. They said I have to move out before I DA this week. Don't know how it's gonna work out with the rest of my family - I'm writing to let them know this week. Thanks again.
be wise.
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http://www.quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/space.htm
i think this is hillarious, it just goes to show you how there optimizm is non existant.. beans.
How else would jws be able to inhabit other planets when the earth runs out of space - I have heard this from jws own mouths, btw.
You can imagine them now with space suits on, Watchtower under one arm - brief-case under the other.
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a witness told me recently that jws have homes that house the elderly.
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A witness told me recently that jws have homes that house the elderly.
Does anyone know more about this?
i dont know if im putting this in the rite place.... .
when a young jw teen ( 13-16) disassociates themselves, or is disfellowshipped, will the parents kick them out of the house?
or are they required to let them stay?
As per usual the Watchtower keeps tight control over the information a JW is susceptible to, so they decide nothing to do with religion or spirituality can be discussed, as we know.
As regards shunning many jws families can react completely different.
A family of jws daughter, I know, was disfellowshipped but they didn’t treat her anything like what nearly every other jw would they still treat her like family even at the KH to the disgust of everybody there.
What really gets me about the self-righteous attitude regarding shunning policy the Watchtower has is the fact that they say, ‘family ties remain’ when the facts are that all your believing family now think you are in Satan’s world and you will die at Armageddon if you don’t join the Watchtower before it’s to late. They also believe you are now a ‘bad associate’ and every jw should avoid you at all costs.
I this will most probably have an affect on the relationship of any family.
glad to say my internet connection is still up, my parents phoned to disconnect it on monday but its still going.. i havent officially dad yet but it will happen within the next few weeks.
i will also be sending the da letter to all my immediate family.
as soon as they announce my da my parents will be chucking me out but are helping me get sorted for my flat.
Wow! I wasn't expecting this. Thanks for all your support:-)
